g12528
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Post by g12528 on Oct 24, 2018 13:06:20 GMT 10
So us south Aussie won't be able to get NIC?
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Post by mallee00 on Oct 24, 2018 13:10:19 GMT 10
You will still be able to get Nic, this is a state govt thing which is aimed at retailers, postage is federal govt and the states have no control over it
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DogMan
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Post by DogMan on Oct 24, 2018 13:10:28 GMT 10
So us south Aussie won't be able to get NIC? you'll be able to get nic stage 1: 6 month grace period stage 2: ban on online sales to and from SA from Australian stores stage 3: SA gov puts pressure on fed customs to help them implement on international imports doubt stage 3 will have much effect, other than some carriers [think toll in qld] individually
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Post by Ally on Oct 24, 2018 14:28:38 GMT 10
From Vapour Eyes today
" Vapoureyes Heads up folks, no emojis this time, it's too serious: the South Australian government is trying to make Vapoureyes illegal, and they're about to succeed. In July of this year, the Tobacco Products Regulation Amendment Bill (2018) was introduced in the South Australian parliament. The bill redefines reality to turn ecigarettes into tobacco products (idiotic, right?), and in doing so it makes it illegal for South Australians to buy any vaping products online. No hardware, no juice, no accessories – it will even be illegal to sell batteries to South Australians if they're intended for use in an ecigarette.
The bill is currently before parliament (literally right now, today) and will be passed into law within the next two weeks. At this stage absolutely nothing can stop this legislation from passing, it has full support from both major parties, despite an incredible amount of opposition from the vaping industry and individual vapers. The government has essentially made it clear that they have no intention whatsoever of listening to your concerns, and they don't care how much economic and social damage they do to South Australia by passing this poorly constructed legislation.
It's hard to overstate how devastating this legislation is going to be for vapers in South Australia. You will no longer be allowed to purchase vaping products online whatsoever, whether you order from a South Australian business like Vapoureyes or an interstate business. The government fully intends to pursue and destroy any businesses that sell vaping products to South Australians, even if that business is located interstate. Regardless of what they say in public, the truth is that they want to deny you the ability to vape and this is how they're planning on doing it.
The most disgusting thing about this abhorrent legislation is that it disproportionately impacts the people who can least afford to be impacted: people living in rural and regional areas who are hundreds of kilometres away from their nearest vape store, the elderly and those living with disabilities who aren't able to leave the house, shift workers who aren't able to visit a store during normal business hours – all of these people and thousands more will be completely cut off from any access to vaping hardware and eliquids, and many of them will be forced to return to smoking.
Make no mistake: this bill will kill people. There are people alive today who are trying to quit smoking by switching to vaping who will eventually die from smoking-related illnesses because the one quitting method that worked for them is no longer available, thanks to this government's refusal to listen.
As for us, well, we can see the writing on the wall. Vapoureyes is Australia's largest independent vape store and we've been proud to service over a hundred thousand Australian customers over the last five years, and we have absolutely no intention of stopping. But it's clear that we can no longer continue to operate in South Australia, and unfortunately for us that means leaving the state for greener pastures. Although we're not fully committed to leaving just yet, the likelihood is that Vapoureyes will be forced to relocate to another state in order to continue operating.
And it's not just us: AVATAR estimates that this legislation will cause 50 to 100 people to lose their vape industry jobs in the next few months, and South Australia will lose between $30,000,000 and $60,000,000 in economic benefits from online stores leaving the state or shutting down competely. This is a burden on all South Australian tax payers. We'll have a lot more to say about this legislation in the coming weeks, but for now we encourage all of you, whether you live in South Australia or not, to sign up" for the AVATAR mailing list so that you can get involved in vape advocacy and make your voice heard.
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Brave
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Post by Brave on Oct 24, 2018 15:03:45 GMT 10
Holy moly, this has all kicked off fast.
I realise the SA legislation has been in the works for some time, but the ramifications are looking as though they could be quite dramatic.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2018 15:07:18 GMT 10
Must be a liberal state government in power?
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rockmoose
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Post by rockmoose on Oct 24, 2018 15:32:36 GMT 10
Must be a liberal state government in power? Yep, they just took over the reins.
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g12528
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Post by g12528 on Oct 24, 2018 16:29:35 GMT 10
So us south Aussie won't be able to get NIC? you'll be able to get nic stage 1: 6 month grace period stage 2: ban on online sales to and from SA from Australian stores stage 3: SA gov puts pressure on fed customs to help them implement on international imports doubt stage 3 will have much effect, other than some carriers [think toll in qld] individually Hold on so retailers won't be able to get products?
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Post by mallee00 on Oct 24, 2018 16:34:53 GMT 10
Retailers can buy and sell products as they will be licensed, just no mail order to customers.
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Ally
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Post by Ally on Oct 24, 2018 17:20:48 GMT 10
Retailers can buy and sell products as they will be licensed, just no mail order to customers. And SA Vapers banned from ordering Vape gear from interstate - although I just dont see how they could possibly police that - unless they threaten interstate stores of huge fines if caught. There will be nothing to stop friends sending "pressies" to friends in SA though. so there will always be a way for our SA friends but sadly its looking grim for the smokers not in the loop. The bill is still not passed so I guess there is a small sliver of hope until it is done.
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