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Post by Fawks on Jul 1, 2018 0:54:56 GMT 10
Well its been a few years since i made my last nicotine order (when avf was alive, took me a little to work out why the old site was dead) and im due for another order. Given i dont spend the time in the forums like i used to i have no idea who reliable suppliers are. Anyone made a order with no complaints in the last few months?
Edit: Looked at the bottle i have left, RTS vapes bottled in september 2014.
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DogMan
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Post by DogMan on Jul 1, 2018 1:05:39 GMT 10
it depends what you look for in a supplier
on a budget, go with hiliq or hsmok
hiliq doubles with customer service, but the product can be inconsistant
quality on next price scale, with zero customer service, slow postage, nude nicotine
both of those have haters
if you want the trifecta of customer service + quality + quick delivery, the up market US vendors like nicotine river
nicotine salts (it's liquid, just smoother and quicker absorbed into blood) might be new to you, worth googling
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Post by LNB on Jul 1, 2018 1:15:30 GMT 10
it depends what you look for in a supplier on a budget, go with hiliq or hsmok hiliq doubles with customer service, but the product can be inconsistant quality on next price scale, with zero customer service, slow postage, nude nicotine both of those have haters if you want the trifecta of customer service + quality + quick delivery, the up market US vendors like nicotine river nicotine salts (it's liquid, just smoother and quicker absorbed into blood) might be new to you, worth googling I got some 100mg nic salt from VE NZ the other week, only took a couple of days to get here, mixed a couple of juices at 6mg, goes alright... |
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Post by Fawks on Jul 1, 2018 3:17:16 GMT 10
it depends what you look for in a supplier on a budget, go with hiliq or hsmok hiliq doubles with customer service, but the product can be inconsistant quality on next price scale, with zero customer service, slow postage, nude nicotine both of those have haters if you want the trifecta of customer service + quality + quick delivery, the up market US vendors like nicotine river nicotine salts (it's liquid, just smoother and quicker absorbed into blood) might be new to you, worth googling Good point on what im looking for, quality is the main factor, customer service or postage time should not be a big issue if im unlikely to have issues with the nic anyway. Nic salts are indeed new to me, had a little read up and that would of appealed to me years ago, now im just happy with what works so i will just stick with the default unless someone feels like its worth convincing someone over it. I vape @ .6 ohm on a mechanical with ordinary single wire coils. |
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Post by fabricator4 on Jul 1, 2018 18:05:38 GMT 10
I've always had good product from Hiliq. If you used a lot of nicotine then I'd recommend them on price, but it seems like you don't use a lot. There's a good chance you'd find the old RTS stuff and new Hiliq stuff like chalk and cheese - the expectations for quality are *much* greater than they were four years ago.
Hiliq does 200mg/ml and if you are confident handling high concentration nic then it's a very good option. Buy it in PG because the PG will stabilise the nic in transit. VG freezes better in the deep freeze for longer term storage, but it's more of a craps shoot for the transport.
The first bottle of 200mg/ml I got, of course I did the usual sniff test to assess quality. It was only when I got a nicotine buzz out of it that it brought home the fact that I was sniffing 20% nicotine. It was about like vaping 24mg/ml on an old Kanger protank - Nothing too serious but it was a wake up call to be more careful with the handling.
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Fawks
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Post by Fawks on Jul 1, 2018 18:42:24 GMT 10
I've always had good product from Hiliq. If you used a lot of nicotine then I'd recommend them on price, but it seems like you don't use a lot. There's a good chance you'd find the old RTS stuff and new Hiliq stuff like chalk and cheese - the expectations for quality are *much* greater than they were four years ago. Hiliq does 200mg/ml and if you are confident handling high concentration nic then it's a very good option. Buy it in PG because the PG will stabilise the nic in transit. VG freezes better in the deep freeze for longer term storage, but it's more of a craps shoot for the transport. The first bottle of 200mg/ml I got, of course I did the usual sniff test to assess quality. It was only when I got a nicotine buzz out of it that it brought home the fact that I was sniffing 20% nicotine. It was about like vaping 24mg/ml on an old Kanger protank - Nothing too serious but it was a wake up call to be more careful with the handling. I think i went through roughly 1L of nic a year, i had a few mates who i would help out when needed as well. Im a sucker for the new and shiny but slowly getting out of that habit as i get older... Has common consensus on 100mg nic max for safety reasons changed or do you just prefer the 200mg for convenience? Have you tried the salts or have any recommendations? Im down to at the minimum get some high quality nic, other than salts being more readily absorbable can you not just tone down your usual nic content to even it out? As in if i vape 12-15mg atm would 6mg of salts not be the equivalent dosage? Any advice is greatly appreciated, i used to spend months reading of on things, i knew 90% of the important stuff 4 years ago, now im a noob again. |
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Post by GT on Jul 1, 2018 19:06:18 GMT 10
16mg salts is the equivalent of 16mg freebase in effect (just TH is less) ... the benefits of salts are listed here ... but I wouldn't use salts unless you were chasing one of these benefits. And 100mg/ml is still the maximum recommended strength for most users |
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Post by fabricator4 on Jul 1, 2018 20:05:38 GMT 10
I think i went through roughly 1L of nic a year, i had a few mates who i would help out when needed as well. Im a sucker for the new and shiny but slowly getting out of that habit as i get older... Has common consensus on 100mg nic max for safety reasons changed or do you just prefer the 200mg for convenience? Have you tried the salts or have any recommendations? Im down to at the minimum get some high quality nic, other than salts being more readily absorbable can you not just tone down your usual nic content to even it out? As in if i vape 12-15mg atm would 6mg of salts not be the equivalent dosage? Any advice is greatly appreciated, i used to spend months reading of on things, i knew 90% of the important stuff 4 years ago, now im a noob again. I think a lot of us here have vapegeddon stashes. It's not so much about new and shiny as it is about worrying about the gubberment banning imports or imposing extra taxes. We already have the abolishment of the under $1000 exemption on import duty as of today. Customs don't really have the resources to manage this so you'll probably mostly see this on websites like Ebay and Amazon for now, charging at POS.
100mg/ml is still the recommended maximum. My warnings about 200mg/ml were intended as just that - I wouldn't want to scare anyone away from it, but it's right on the edge of what should be considered usable by someone with experience in safe handling of nicotine. Any higher than this would be foolhardy without equipment like fume hoods and full body protection. 100mg/ml has proven to be perfectly safe with some basic common sense, 200mg/ml requires a much more acute sense of what you dealing with, as I inadvertently demonstrated.
My understanding of nicotine salts is that gram for gram, nicotine salts have LESS available nicotine than freebase. This is based on molecular weight of the salt molecule as apposed to the molecular weight of nicotine. This is why Pax labs Juul pods have 50mg/ml of benzoic nicotine salts. It's about the equivalent of maybe 27 or 28mg/ml on a device that really doesn't produce much vapour. The exact relationship depends on which salt is used, so it's important to know what you've got IMO.
Salts have another large benefit - they are a much more stable molecule. Because they've already reacted, bonds that might be susceptibe to combining with other molecules like oxygen are already taken up, so it can't react to the same degree. Shelf life and especially freezer life is likely to be much greater.
I know what you about keeping up with this technology. Vaping pretty well re-invents itself every two years and isn't showing much sign of slowing down. Some changes like temperature control were kind of expected, but every now and then something still comes along to surprise you.
Edit: the main advantage of nic salts is that pH has been modified. It's more readily absorbed in the lungs, so is more likely to work better for MTL (mouth to lung) vapers. While it's not a dramatic change (compared to what is claimed by PAX labs) it might have some clear advantages for those that want a more cigarette like experience.
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Post by DogMan on Jul 1, 2018 20:12:33 GMT 10
you could buy 200 mg/ml, and when it arrives and you decant into glass, just mix 50/50 with pg/vg straight away
keeps the maths the same
and yes, salts are not stronger, just quicker into your blood
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Post by Fawks on Jul 1, 2018 21:54:15 GMT 10
GT, Cheers, It was the unlikely chance of someone holding the package to be put in danger so ill stick to 100mg fabricator4, My vapegeddon stash lasted 3 years... Some stash... I bought a few liters when a vapeshop in NSW was involved with the government/trouble and all the talk was bans are soon coming into effect. My last knowledge was that after 3-4 years nic stored in the freezer may degrade from 100mg to 80mg or to some equivalent, The idea of salts being much more stable is appealing, Might try to get both... Since i work in a trade and have hotwired my mechanicals at work after hard drops ect i have stayed away from anything with circuit board. My last TC got run over, had it of been a tube mechanical it would of barely felt it  Thanks guys! Ill keep an eye on this thread and buy in a week or two.
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